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[MantyWrestler]

[wgbeethree]

[PackyAttacky]

[spilltray]

[Shanedorf]

2016:
daniels 664 def snaps
jones 548 def snaps @ DL + OLB

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts

2015:
daniels 706
jones 364 @ DL

[CentralFC]

2015 was an issue IIRC, 2016 wasn't. People just like narratives. Much easier to cling to one faulty one than evolve over time.



Still, not entirely upset he's gone. But I would have liked to see another year from him on a one year deal. Think we could have gotten solid production. He was close last year (led in pressures/QB hits obviously) but didn't finish.

He'll excel in Minnesota in that scheme and with those guys around him. Think Zimmer will be a solid coach for him.
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[PackFan4Life]

To me, it depends when you want to compare this roster from to now.....

QB <-> Nothing has changed. Hope they stay healthy and then they can showcase Hundley more this preseason.

RB DOWN: If you compare this group from where it was last year at this time, you just do not lose Lacy and expect to be better coming into this year with a transitioned WR and 4 mid to late round and UDFA rookies as your RB stable. If you compare to where this group was before the draft, it is moving up.

TE ^ Better blocking group then last year and the Kendricks addition gives this group better depth.

WR ^ Nelson a full year recovered from the surgery is going to get him off to a faster start. If this group stays healthy it is a very good group. Interesting rooks added to the competition and Allison/Davis will either show more progress or be replaced.

OL DOWN You simply do not lose two all pro Gs and expect this group to be better or the same as it was last year at this time. The depth is not as good either with Tretter gone. Jahri is going to be ok but he is not Lang quality anymore. Need evidence of progress from the second year group to say this is <->.

DL ^ Deeper group with better competition headed into this year. Should be one of the more noticeable improvements in the team going into this year.

OLB ^ Like the younger blood in there, promising group headed into this year if healthy. Jones was lost and I think that loss will be felt more then originally thought early in the year. BUT, if the young ones take a step and this group stays healthy I think they will be better this year.

ILB ^ Ryan emerged last year as a solid player. Martinez should be better with a year under his belt. Thomas showed he can be a good situational player and the addition of Jones adds speed to the group. Very solid group with more room to grow IMO.

CB <-> Really depends. If you compare to this time last year: A very young group aside from House who essentially replaces Shields as the vet. That would be DOWN. But if you compare to the end of last year ^: This group will take it lumps but has so much more ceiling to push if healthy. More then I can say for throwing limited athletes out there taking their lumps without much more upside and making your S try to play of lot nickel because your other options are not very appealing or hurt. This group could be much better then where it was last year at this time, but until it shows on the field, you simply do not recover from the loss of Shields with House as his replacement.

S ^ HHCD, Burnett are very good starters. Brice was a nice surprise last year and should be better with a year of experience in the system. Evans and Jones will really round out the depth and options in the backend this year.

ST DOWN: Might have a new unproven LS, the best punt returner is gone, and Schum is ok but still just Schum. Crosby is very good but a year older. Gotta hope the influx of younger talent helps this group on coverage headed into this year.

[CWood21]

QB - Push
RB - Down
WR - Up
TE - Up
OL - Down
DL - Up
ILB - Up
OLB - Down
CB - Push
S - Up
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[skibrett15]

CWood, I'm guessing the ILB UP sentiment is coming from some combination of
Adding Biegel (though I think they are gonna spend his whole season on developing him at EDGE to see if it works)

Adding Jones - hopefully can play some snaps at 3rd safety/ILB position.

Blake Martinez? - guy had a lot of hype and has a chance to make a leap I suppose. Nothing in his play was impressive to me.

ILB is the most interesting position on this team in that it's basically a reflection of the rest of the roster. Impacted by Clay, Jones, other Edge, other S... basically anything to keep from playing martinez and ryan for a ton of snaps every game.

[CWood21]

[ugLymayNe]

Why does everyone mention Jones taking snaps at at ILB over Burnett?
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[Donzo]

He's bigger, faster and younger than Burnett... And, the #1 news story the past ten days has been Jones playing the nickle ILB.

[PackyAttacky]

[Frank-O]

[CWood21]